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Post by farmmom on May 3, 2013 5:55:04 GMT -5
Hey i was wondering what is the difference between whey powder and raw milk whey made from kefir or home made yogurt? We have an organic raw milk dairy farm and make kefir every day. The whey is pure and fresh. I don't know if anyone out there knows of Dr. Mercola, but he posted yesterday that Whey Protein Isolate powder is a food he wouldn't give his worst enemy. Due to recent research, separating the whey powder into an isolate causes long term damage to body tissues and metabolism. This makes sense, that it is a food, perhaps, far from nature? If this is the case, what to do about all the whey protein in the wonderful recipes? Why can't we just use the whey God made straight from the source? Thanks for any wisdom on this issue. Kim from VA
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Post by cashen10 on May 3, 2013 9:13:07 GMT -5
Serene did a series on the why's of whey protein. I'm on my phone & can never figure out how to link to those things but if you look under Serene & Pearl chats (or something like that) you should be able to find it. I like Dr Mercola but I'm leery of taking to much stock in someone that always has an expensive product to sell along w/ their advice...products that aren't in the original packaging from God, kwim?
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Post by farmmom on May 3, 2013 15:22:06 GMT -5
thanks so much for responding! i'm not interested in Mercola's powder :-) just trying to see if i really need ANY powder. and trying to dig for truth in the midst of a myriad of conflicting voices :-) My husband is a minimalist and very cautious of "new things under the sun"... i have read and re-read the section in the book and understand why Serene likes it i think, what i'm wondering is CAN we use just real whey? The whey that comes from real food? They do say, in the book, to strain the whey if you don't have greek yogurt? So is it b/c there are carbs in the real whey? But then, what IS whey powder if it is w/o the carb load of the real stuff :-) i'll look up their old chats. Thanks for your info. Great job losing your weight! I just started and have about 40 pounds to go! Do you use the whey powder? God bless you as you serve your sweet family! I have an amazing man and nine very sweet people to love here :-)!
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Post by lashie on May 4, 2013 4:47:01 GMT -5
Hi. I am also very dubious about the whey powder. I bought some but am not using it now. We have goats and make kefir also. The whey from the kef. (and feta cheese) we all make is actually cultured, so I feel that it would be better. I don't think the powder is cultured. Sometime we throw out whey because we have so much and my husband is not impressed. How many carbs can there be in whey from kef.? Because it is sour. And of it ok to have kef then surely it is ok to have the whey. The feta cheese I am not so sure about as it is not quite as sour. What do you think?
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Post by farmmom on May 4, 2013 7:22:51 GMT -5
would the feta cheese whey have salt? i'm not sure. Kefir or Yogurt whey would both be "pure" i think. The "cultures" eat the sugar in both. I have a call into Weston Price Foundation waiting to see their verdict. I'm just interested in what they have to say b/c they do clinical research on stuff like this. But their word isn't any more gospel than anyone else's. I guess my bottom line is: If God didn't make it, don't eat it. So whey or isolates or L Glutamine (which others have also recommended) are out for me because they're getting "too far away from the source" if that makes sense. I do love and appreciate the book and don't want to be divisive. But Serene and Pearl have both learned things along the way (no pun intended :-)) and maybe there are some, even new things, to consider with these "far removed from their natural state" products. we make the kefir into cheese and save the whey. That can either be used to soak beans (the lacto ferment "eats up" the phytates in the beans and makes them very smooth and easy to digest) we use the whey to water plants (diluted), we have used it to feed chickens extra protein when they need to "beef up" :-), you can also use it if you have mold on the side of your home or a shady part of a driveway. It is amazing how it works on things like this! We use it to make lacto fermented foods and also put it in ice cube trays to add to smoothies (to add extra protein). I LOVE what the Lord showed Serene and Pearl about carbs and mixing foods it really does work. I'm only 2 weeks into this and have lost 12 pounds not even doing and "fuel pulling" but then i am nursing a voracious little laddie five months old and started working out regularly. check out "cafe mom workouts on you tube" they have a couple of cardio ones that do the high intensity interval thing w/o offensive music or other weirdness. Thanks girls for your insights and book! WIth my questions i'm really just seeking God's best for me and our family. To God be the glory!
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Post by cashen10 on May 4, 2013 8:49:58 GMT -5
I understand about being skeptical, I was the skeptical one about protein & used to nag & degrade my hubby for using it. I was very leery of it even when I started this & after reading the book. But reading Serene's 3 or 4 part series (on this forum) on the research behind it, I'm sold. We raise dairy goats & cows also and I have no problem giving the whey to my children, chickens, or garden. But I haven't thought much about the whey from kefir, on the surface it seems to make sense that you should be able to use it. The whey from yogurt & cheese is too carby to encourage weight loss from my understanding...but I'm no expert. I hope that helps a bit & I encourage you to look up Serene's articles about the protein powder, it might not change your mind but at least you would more completely understand the reasoning behind it. This plan is still very doable w/out protein powder & using what you have.
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Post by cashen10 on May 4, 2013 8:51:54 GMT -5
That first sentence is referring to whey protein powder, not just protein, just to clarify in case that sounded confusing.
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Post by lashie on May 4, 2013 21:20:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the whey suggestions. At the moment I put it on the garden, but I will soak the beans and lentils in it. Also like the ice cube suggestion. And see how we go from there. As yet not sure what will happen with the whey powder in the cupboard. As an answer to the feta question: no the whey isn't salty. One soaks the curds in brine after they have drained. . Would you mind telling me how you make cheese from kefir. Or a website if you don't want to explain it. Thanks so much. We are fairly new to having so much kef. as we've only had goats for 3 months.
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Post by farmmom on May 5, 2013 17:38:37 GMT -5
I blop the kefir into a cheese cloth and tie a knot with the corners and hang the knot on a kitchen cabinet handle over a bowl to catch the whey. This makes thick "soft cheese" Kefir when left for about 24 hours. Then we spice it up w/ garlic, fresh chives, fresh herbs, salt and a sprinkle of cayenne. Very yum w/ baby carrots or peppers to dip or on top of a salad. Think "rondele" if you know what that is. Great for entertaining. We decorate a bowl w/ edible flowers (like nasturtiums or pansies) and even cut some of the petals up into the cheese for color. That's all. Soft cheese... not the "real thing". That whey is an amazing elixer though.
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Post by lashie on May 6, 2013 9:07:06 GMT -5
Thanks. I'll give it a go. Hmm couldn't seem to make another addition to thread. Only adding here. Anyway. Soaked chana Dahl ( just bought) in whey. Very tasty.
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Post by blessedmamadp on May 11, 2013 11:52:56 GMT -5
Can anyone give a link to Serene's research on this? I'm skeptical of the powder as well.
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Post by cashen10 on May 11, 2013 16:00:08 GMT -5
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